As far as "does the crime fit the punishment", I feel Aziz should get some push back for sure. I kind of feel like the #metoo movement will sort our the severity though. I don't expect Casey or Weinstein to ever have careers again. I do expect some of the people who end up on more of the gray spectrum to have to go through some public scrutiny that will eventually subside. Sort of like how Mel Gibson is directing movies again. It would not shock me if Lois CK and Aziz have to take 5 year hiatuses that lead to come back apology tours.
I'm surprised more models haven't come out honestly. I would have bet top dollar is even worse than movies.
I'm surprised more models haven't come out honestly. I would have bet top dollar is even worse than movies.
arent models basically escorts anyway. i always remember hearing crazy rumors about Naomi Campbell being an industry madam for example
By domino Go To Postarent models basically escorts anyway. i always remember hearing crazy rumors about Naomi Campbell being an industry madam for exampleI don't think it is appropriate to victim blame.
By domino Go To Postarent models basically escorts anyway. i always remember hearing crazy rumors about Naomi Campbell being an industry madam for example
By FortuneFaded Go To PostI don't think it is appropriate to victim blame.
where did i victim blame? just a question about something i've read countless amounts of times about how the modeling industry actually works
Modeling industry is basically another nasty casting couch round of shit where predators hide in the promise of making careers. More and more photographers and fashion folk gonna be exposed too with the quickness because of it and they should.
By domino Go To Postwhere did i victim blame? just a question about something i've read countless amounts of times about how the modeling industry actually worksFender says that he is surprised that more models haven't come out with sexual assault allegations and your responses is that they are all escorts anyway. Even if it is true, prostitutes get sexually assaulted too. Doesn't make it right.
By domino Go To Postwhere did i victim blame? just a question about something i've read countless amounts of times about how the modeling industry actually workscalm down bro you've already been warned
lol
i mean some people just want to be beautiful and take pictures and not get terry richardson's dick in their mouth but what i do i know
i mean some people just want to be beautiful and take pictures and not get terry richardson's dick in their mouth but what i do i know
By FortuneFaded Go To PostFender says that he is surprised that more models haven't come out with sexual assault allegations and your responses is that they are all escorts anyway. Even if it is true, prostitutes get sexually assaulted too. Doesn't make it right.
i wouldnt consider that victim blaming. just a question. but alright.
By s y Go To Postcalm down bro you've already been warned
whew
Between that and posting the Atlantic article what are you hoping to accomplish with these posts though?
i posted that atlantic article just to see what kind of response it'd get on this forum compared to some of the other forums i've seen it on.
By s y Go To Postcalm down bro you've already been warned
I never even considered the modelling industry,
can you imagine the fuckery that goes on in there?
By Bold 2 in One Go To Postoh that's good, thats damn goodAll of them start young too.
Domino has a point though, I never even considered the modelling industry,
can you imagine the fuckery that goes on in there?
i thought it was a pretty fire and brimstone response and the last paragraph was out of left field.
but i can see how in the situation aziz could miss/ignore whatever signals she was trying to send that her actions/words didn't totally convey.
ultimately it just sounds like they went in looking for 2 different experiences.
ive been in situations where i felt like the body language was off only to find out later that the girl wanted me to keep pressing the issue
but i can see how in the situation aziz could miss/ignore whatever signals she was trying to send that her actions/words didn't totally convey.
ultimately it just sounds like they went in looking for 2 different experiences.
ive been in situations where i felt like the body language was off only to find out later that the girl wanted me to keep pressing the issue
By domino Go To Postbut i can see how in the situation aziz could miss/ignore whatever signals she was trying to send that her actions/words didn't totally convey.Except he's 34.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostExcept he's 34.OK? I don't see how being a specific age means anything here. Would it be different if the same experience happened and he was 24?
I'm really not trying to be obtuse here and I hope it doesn't come off like that
The idea that there isn't a spectrum to these issues is patently absurd tho. We're moving onto the difficult and confusing parts of this discussion without even sorting out the clear-cut issue that was called out in October.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html
I think this piece summarizes my perspective. I'm having a hard time being critical of the situation without falling into victim blaming but when the allegation is that someone made you uncomfortable then I'm not sure that "victim blaming" is same criticism as when someone is raped or even masturbated in front of.
I think this piece summarizes my perspective. I'm having a hard time being critical of the situation without falling into victim blaming but when the allegation is that someone made you uncomfortable then I'm not sure that "victim blaming" is same criticism as when someone is raped or even masturbated in front of.
Aziz Ansari sounds like he was aggressive and selfish and obnoxious that night. Isn’t it heartbreaking and depressing that men — especially ones who present themselves publicly as feminists — so often act this way in private? Shouldn’t we try to change our broken sexual culture? And isn’t it enraging that women are socialized to be docile and accommodating and to put men’s desires before their own? Yes. Yes. Yes.
But the solution to these problems does not begin with women torching men for failing to understand their “nonverbal cues.” It is for women to be more verbal. It’s to say: “This is what turns me on.” It’s to say “I don’t want to do that.” And, yes, sometimes it means saying piss off.
By Vlatko Go To Posthttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html
I think this piece summarizes my perspective. I'm having a hard time being critical of the situation without falling into victim blaming but when the allegation is that someone made you uncomfortable then I'm not sure that "victim blaming" is same criticism as when someone is raped or even masturbated in front of.
"To judge from social media reaction to Grace’s story, they also see a flagrant abuse of power in this sexual encounter. Yes, Mr. Ansari is a wealthy celebrity with a Netflix show. But he had no actual power over Grace — professionally or otherwise. And lumping him in with the same movement that brought down men who ran movie studios and forced themselves on actresses, or the factory floor supervisors who demanded sex from women workers, trivializes what #MeToo first stood for."
And I agree with her entire last paragraph too.
By Random Ass Username Go To Posthttps://theintercept.com/2017/08/31/nyts-newest-op-ed-hire-bari-weiss-embodies-its-worst-failings-and-its-lack-of-viewpoint-diversity/What are we supposed to take from this?
That someone who's a neocon shill consistently hating on Arab people and likes folks who endorse genocide probably has sketchy opinions on consent and not being a pile of shit.
By Vlatko Go To PostWhat are we supposed to take from this?I guess that because she's a terrible person that she's always wrong.
Seal Denies Allegations of Sexual Battery Amid Reported Criminal Investigation http://people.com/music/seal-denies-sexual-battery-allegations/
Last week, Seal encouraged women to share their own stories of sexual misconduct. And now, one woman has reportedly come forward with her own allegations against the singer — allegations he “vehemently denies.”
TMZ reported Tuesday that the 54-year-old “Kiss from a Rose” singer is currently under criminal investigation for sexual battery, stemming from an alleged incident at his home in the fall of 2016 with actress Tracey Birdsall.
According to Birdsall, 54, Seal had allegedly forced himself on her in his kitchen — attempting to kiss her and later groping her breasts in advances she quickly pushed off and demanded he stop.
Crazy
That's... am I supposed to believe Seal is so dumb/drugged up that when he urged women to stand up and disclose their horrible experiences of sexual assault in the past... he didn't remember sexually assaulting a woman himself? No, I'm sorry that's Trump level stupidity. I have a problem with that one immediately.
By The Frankman Go To PostThat's… am I supposed to believe Seal is so dumb/drugged up that when he urged women to stand up and disclose their horrible experiences of sexual assault in the past… he didn't remember sexually assaulting a woman himself? No, I'm sorry that's Trump level stupidity. I have a problem with that one immediately.I honestly don't think you need to be that one dude to always question an allegation and whether it's sincere or not.
By reilo Go To PostI honestly don't think you need to be that one dude to always question an allegation and whether it's sincere or not.I don't think I am or that it matters really. I mean I don't wear a blue uniform or work for the DA do I? Me questioning it isn't magically going to make it go away so why does it matter? I'd rather talk about the hilarity of a guy urging women to come forward and not hide their allegations, and one accuses him.
If he did it, he's Black Trump lol and a complete fucking moron scuzzbag. If he didn't, my point stands. What's the issue here?
The point is that after throwing out that ridiculous "30% of allegations are probably false" bullshit some time ago, this is more than just one time you questioned the legitimacy of these claims. Like, to what end? There's better ways for you to handle it, even if you have doubts. "Man, hope it's not true!" would've done it.
Fact of the matter is what keeps getting skipped is that you can see if the person you're choosing to engage with is okay and actually into it. It's on you not to hurt someone. Why people keep settling on the responsibility of the victim to leave rather than the other individual take a step back, priorities of out whack. If you can't tell they're reluctant, ask, if you don't want to ask and can't tell, stop screwing around and seek help. If someone says that you making sure they're okay dampens the mood for them, tell them to bugger off, they're probably an asshole anyway. I'd much rather not assault another human being who seems reluctant, I'll leave or I'll have them leave and deal with myself since I never recall consent being an issue solo.
People are for him hard.
"He can't read minds..."
Shit is jokes. People got to her giving him toppy and checked out.
If you look like a naked jigsaw doll on a bike, on some, "I wanna play a game for the pussy", then call the uber and that evening an L.
Popping up all over the room, appearing in dark corners looking like Mike Myers with a condom instead of a kitchen knife. Shit is crazy.
I'm not even shouting from a high horse, because I made some stupid ass mistakes when I was younger. Social programming and the lack of discussion about anything when it comes to women, isn't lost on me. Dudes have excuses for days.
"He can't read minds..."
Shit is jokes. People got to her giving him toppy and checked out.
If you look like a naked jigsaw doll on a bike, on some, "I wanna play a game for the pussy", then call the uber and that evening an L.
Popping up all over the room, appearing in dark corners looking like Mike Myers with a condom instead of a kitchen knife. Shit is crazy.
I'm not even shouting from a high horse, because I made some stupid ass mistakes when I was younger. Social programming and the lack of discussion about anything when it comes to women, isn't lost on me. Dudes have excuses for days.
By reilo Go To Posthttps://jezebel.com/babe-what-are-you-doing-1822114753?rev=1516127284762Comment section on this article is actual pretty interesting. A lot of conflicted people.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostPeople are for him hard.People stay prioritizing getting laid over being a decent person then we wonder why sexual assault is so prevalent. People are sketchy assholes. Not asking questions they don't want to hear the answer to and all that. Excuses to avoid the predatory and selfish behavior they're engaging in and above all else ensuring that nutting at the end of the night is more important than the relative safety and health of other people. When you're busy harping on the victim say "no" many more times or being more loud, you're basically erasing the responsibility of the other individual who can ask questions and ensure they're not hurting someone else. But here's the catch, a lot of people actually don't care they're hurting another person, and we don't want to reconcile that we're in a society where rape really is that prevalent. But it's historical, not too long ago spouses couldn't see any justice if they were raped, you're married, you're supposed to open to sex 24/7. Our views of consent and bodily autonomy aren't new in overall human history (some cultures had this) but they're fairly new to us and we don't have these conversations about who the onus should really be on.
"He can't read minds…"
Shit is jokes. People got to her giving him toppy and checked out.
If you look like a naked jigsaw doll on a bike, on some, "I wanna play a game for the pussy", then call the uber and that evening an L.
Popping up all over the room, appearing in dark corners looking like Mike Myers with a condom instead of a kitchen knife. Shit is crazy.
I'm not even shouting from a high horse, because I made some stupid ass mistakes when I was younger. Social programming and the lack of discussion about anything when it comes to women, isn't lost on me. Dudes have excuses for days.
By domino Go To PostOK? I don't see how being a specific age means anything here. Would it be different if the same experience happened and he was 24?24 and 34 shouldn't be acting like a dude that's 16 come on. You really act the same way you did back in high school?
I'm really not trying to be obtuse here and I hope it doesn't come off like that
If you heard your boy acting like this, would you not at the very least roast him for a week? 😂
http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/16/aziz-ansari-and-affirmative-consent
This is very good. Libertarian bent or not. It's worth reading.
This is very good. Libertarian bent or not. It's worth reading.
Aly Raisman - USA Gymnastics told her to "keep quiet"
Possibly worse than Sandusky
*WARNING* SEVERE CREEP FACTOR
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22046031/michigan-state-university-doctor-larry-nassar-surrounded-enablers-abused-athletes-espn
Possibly worse than Sandusky
*WARNING* SEVERE CREEP FACTOR
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/22046031/michigan-state-university-doctor-larry-nassar-surrounded-enablers-abused-athletes-espn
By reilo Go To PostThe point is that after throwing out that ridiculous "30% of allegations are probably false" bullshit some time ago, this is more than just one time you questioned the legitimacy of these claims. Like, to what end? There's better ways for you to handle it, even if you have doubts. "Man, hope it's not true!" would've done it.I put out that statement because when you have this many claims coming out in a short amount of time, a lot of them WILL turn out false. I say that because that happens time and time again with these bulk accusations. The fact that I brought that up doesn't make me unsympathetic to the plight of these victims.
I'm not going to get OT with this, so I'll leave it at this: This is the first claim I actually attacked the veracity of, and I think I have a leg to stand on. I'm not a fucking cop or law enforcement official; saying I think that accusation is kinda offor Seal is the biggest idiot since the guy in the White House does not destroy or belittle women everywhere or damage the movement to stop sexual predation. It's my opinion, which is open to debate and I am fine discussing. Why should I "hope" when I feel strongly about the statement? Do we talk like that about other topics?
Frank... don't do this.
Do you actually have any evidence to back up your 30% assertion? If the answer is a resounding no, then don't make the claim.
Do you actually have any evidence to back up your 30% assertion? If the answer is a resounding no, then don't make the claim.
Bruh you got a better chance of being raped as a man than someone making a false accusation lol
Your opinion is your opinion. Whatever. Throwing around BS numbers then acting like people are out to get you is why you look funny.
Your opinion is your opinion. Whatever. Throwing around BS numbers then acting like people are out to get you is why you look funny.
By reilo Go To PostFrank… don't do this.I think it's funny you discounted all my other posts and focused on that one statement.
Do you actually have any evidence to back up your 30% assertion? If the answer is a resounding no, then don't make the claim.
By The Frankman Go To PostI think it's funny you discounted all my other posts and focused on that one statement.I already addressed some of it in the other posts, but as long as you continue to not understand that throwing out that 30% number is completely fucked up on your part, then I have no desire to debate you on the minutiae of your other argument(s).
By reilo Go To PostI already addressed some of it in the other posts, but as long as you continue to not understand that throwing out that 30% number is completely fucked up on your part, then I have no desire to debate you on the minutiae of your argument.I basically said it wouldn't surprise me if alot of these reports turn out false. You don't like 30%? Ok how is 3%? 0.003? The point is it would not surprise me if X (where X represents a good amount) amount of these claims turned out to be false. If you're trying to tie me as "Oh he's hating of the victims" just stop that train of thought right there.
Or how about you don't focus on the false accusations at all, because in doing so you diminish the severity and seriousness of the legitimate ones? It's not even about the number, it's the fact that you're focusing on the false accusations all together. How is that unclear?
By reilo Go To PostOr how about you don't focus on the false accusations at all, because in doing so you diminish the severity and seriousness of the legitimate ones? It's not even about the number, it's the fact that you're focusing on the false accusations all together. How is that unclear?I think that the false accusations diminish the severity and seriousness of the legitimate ones a helluva lot more than my one post on a messageboard?
As for accusations, I pointed at ONE. And I even said either she's lying or Seal is a scumbag. Stop putting words in my mouth and painting me to a side.
By DY_nasty Go To Post24 and 34 shouldn't be acting like a dude that's 16 come on. You really act the same way you did back in high school?
If you heard your boy acting like this, would you not at the very least roast him for a week? 😂
I'd roast him (I got some awkward odd ass friends so this Aziz thing honestly doesn't sound that out of the ordinary for me) but that's about it. Pretty sure everyone acknowledges Aziz lack of game here but just cause you hit a certain age doesn't mean you have a certain amount of game.