Formula 2019 Championship
standings:
Calender:
Teams:
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
Team Chief: Toto Wolff
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton (#44) & Valteri Bottas (#77)
Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow
Team Chief: Mattia Binotto
Drivers: Sebastian Vettel (#5) & Charles Leclerc (#16)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
Team Chief: Christian Horner
Drivers: Max Verstappen (#33) & Alexander Albon (#23)
Renault F1 Team
Team Chief: Cyril Abiteboul
Drivers: Nico Hulkenberg (#27) & Daniel Ricciardo (#3)
Rich Energy Haas F1 Team
Team Chief: Guenther Steiner
Drivers: Romain Grosjean (#8) & Kevin Magnussen (#20)
McLaren F1 Team
Team Chief: Zak Brown
Drivers: Carlos Sainz (#55) & Lando Norris (#4)
Racing Point F1 Team
Team Chief: Otmar Szafnauer
Drivers: Sergio Perez (#11) & Lance Stroll (#18)
Alfa Romeo Racing
Team Chief: Frédéric Vasseur
Drivers: Kimi Räikkönen (#7) & Antonio Giovinazzi (#99)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda
Team Chief: Franz Tost
Drivers: Daniil Kvyat (#26) & Pierre Gasly (#10)
ROKiT Williams Racing
Team Chief: Frank Williams
Drivers: Robert Kubica (#88) & George Russel (#63)
standings:
Calender:
Teams:
Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
Team Chief: Toto Wolff
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton (#44) & Valteri Bottas (#77)
Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow
Team Chief: Mattia Binotto
Drivers: Sebastian Vettel (#5) & Charles Leclerc (#16)
Aston Martin Red Bull Racing
Team Chief: Christian Horner
Drivers: Max Verstappen (#33) & Alexander Albon (#23)
Renault F1 Team
Team Chief: Cyril Abiteboul
Drivers: Nico Hulkenberg (#27) & Daniel Ricciardo (#3)
Rich Energy Haas F1 Team
Team Chief: Guenther Steiner
Drivers: Romain Grosjean (#8) & Kevin Magnussen (#20)
McLaren F1 Team
Team Chief: Zak Brown
Drivers: Carlos Sainz (#55) & Lando Norris (#4)
Racing Point F1 Team
Team Chief: Otmar Szafnauer
Drivers: Sergio Perez (#11) & Lance Stroll (#18)
Alfa Romeo Racing
Team Chief: Frédéric Vasseur
Drivers: Kimi Räikkönen (#7) & Antonio Giovinazzi (#99)
Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda
Team Chief: Franz Tost
Drivers: Daniil Kvyat (#26) & Pierre Gasly (#10)
ROKiT Williams Racing
Team Chief: Frank Williams
Drivers: Robert Kubica (#88) & George Russel (#63)
RICH Energy new tile sponsor and matching colour scheme, curious how long "gold" stays gold as it is hard to see on TV broadcasts and car/liveries in the past (Lotus) quickly changed their colours during the season.
First team to launch their car was Haas F1 today and the "snow plough" on the front are massive (no winglets on the y-axis, new rules), bigger and higher rear-wing for balance. Also side winglets are smaller (height), but it looks like there are also a lot more. Also see that the exhaust Ferrari was testing at the end of the year made on to the 1st 2019 Ferrari powered car,e expect same on the others.
First team to launch their car was Haas F1 today and the "snow plough" on the front are massive (no winglets on the y-axis, new rules), bigger and higher rear-wing for balance. Also side winglets are smaller (height), but it looks like there are also a lot more. Also see that the exhaust Ferrari was testing at the end of the year made on to the 1st 2019 Ferrari powered car,e expect same on the others.
Today Toro Rosso render and Williams sponsor presentation event.
SRT14:
FW42:
TR even though same as last few years, still dig that colour scheme/livery. Most noticeable thing for me is the RBR sidepot & (Newey) shape of the side guiding air flow to the rear diffuser. Probably not that strange as TR has decided it will use as much parts from RBR that the rules allow, rear suspension/gearbox, which shapes more or less the entire rear of the car.
Williams main thin is new sponsor, colour blue OK, but livery just does not look good to me, black underside worked with dark blue last season, not with lighter and that white circle on the sharkfin looks "cheap".
SRT14:
FW42:
TR even though same as last few years, still dig that colour scheme/livery. Most noticeable thing for me is the RBR sidepot & (Newey) shape of the side guiding air flow to the rear diffuser. Probably not that strange as TR has decided it will use as much parts from RBR that the rules allow, rear suspension/gearbox, which shapes more or less the entire rear of the car.
Williams main thin is new sponsor, colour blue OK, but livery just does not look good to me, black underside worked with dark blue last season, not with lighter and that white circle on the sharkfin looks "cheap".
Have to get used to the designer Petronas green stripe and the way they worked it even more in the design of this years Merc. For the rest they look to be holding on to their concepts that worked for them even with new rules ( frontwing "wing shape" below it, sidepots (not like Fer/RBR & rest) and still long and relatively little rake.
RBR with their now usual launch livery, wonder if they will race it at Barcelona and how their normal car will look. Similar of what I said about Merc, they keep their design ideas from last seasons, Rake, smaller side structure completely shaped to guide air to the back (diffuser). Only weird thing looks to be little teeths on the fron nose, or is that just render/paint?
@Kidjr Major changes are front wing wider, bigger and no more winglets on the y-axis (technically z-axis ;)), so they are lot simpler. Side, the middle, those winglets are all limited by height this season, so they are still there just not as big. Rear wing is bigger and sits higher and their are some other smaller changes (front wheel brake ducts simpler). Biggest one for the team to deal with is the frontwing, as all those extra winglets steered the air around the car/wheels, their starting point as that's the point the air hits the car first.
Idea is bit closer racing, because those old wings pushed the air to the out-side of the car and created a wider wake behind the car. Newer rules hope to achieve that that wake is less wide and therefore the air behind the car is slightly less disturbed and therefore cars can follow a fraction closer, but we will see if that helps enough if at all.
RBR with their now usual launch livery, wonder if they will race it at Barcelona and how their normal car will look. Similar of what I said about Merc, they keep their design ideas from last seasons, Rake, smaller side structure completely shaped to guide air to the back (diffuser). Only weird thing looks to be little teeths on the fron nose, or is that just render/paint?
@Kidjr Major changes are front wing wider, bigger and no more winglets on the y-axis (technically z-axis ;)), so they are lot simpler. Side, the middle, those winglets are all limited by height this season, so they are still there just not as big. Rear wing is bigger and sits higher and their are some other smaller changes (front wheel brake ducts simpler). Biggest one for the team to deal with is the frontwing, as all those extra winglets steered the air around the car/wheels, their starting point as that's the point the air hits the car first.
Idea is bit closer racing, because those old wings pushed the air to the out-side of the car and created a wider wake behind the car. Newer rules hope to achieve that that wake is less wide and therefore the air behind the car is slightly less disturbed and therefore cars can follow a fraction closer, but we will see if that helps enough if at all.
By Kidjr Go To PostNice thanks for the update Marko!np, also hope we get a great season with 3 teams fighting it out at the front and both Renault and Honda with a bit more power and closer to Merc/Fer.
and just drop rhe O at the end ;)
,Mark
By markao Go To Postsometimes a face tell you all you need to know ;)I want to believe.
By Spengo Go To PostI want to believe.Even if their car is mega, I still feel that Honda needs more time, but if they can compete a bit more than the start of last year that would be a good 1st step.
Do like the McLaren colours, still feel there is room to do more with it (sharkfin for example). They dropped their side pot design and hopped over to were most are gone. Front of the car, under nose and suspensions is still McLaren (lots of stuff I mean by that, were I wonder if they really know what each little thing does)
And the Ferrari SFH90
Similar to other top team, evolution of their concept of the last few years, with chances were they were required by rules. From the renders it looks like a different colour red, is that even matte at certain places?
By markao Go To PostEven if their car is mega, I still feel that Honda needs more time, but if they can compete a bit more than the start of last year that would be a good 1st step.Marko seemed content during the shakedown though. That's really enough for me.
It is all just words. Need numbers. I reckon it will be less reliable but it could be more powerful.
Will be really interesting to see what the pecking order is. Seems likely Mercedes and Ferrari will be 1st and 2nd with not much between them but we're hearing rumblings from both the Renault (and McLaren) and Honda (and RBR) camps that the manufacturers have found a good chunk of power over the winter break. Obviously you'd expect both of them to see that so will be interesting to see to what extent those rumours are true and how much they've found exactly.
By noal Go To PostTesting next week?Yes, Monday morning in Barcelona 1st week (4 days) starts and than another 4 days in the next week which will the start on Tuesday.
I don't see RBR choice as a gamble, it is something you do not do when you pay more than 1/2 a billion a year to run two teams. They have had 4 years with Renault in this new powerunit area and they lost the believe that Renault was ever to catch up. Main doubt came from the fact that Renault wasn't going to invest the money hat was needed to make that possible (in the short term).
Honda, due their "wrong" design choice when they started are due to that choice two years behind the development path of the top 2. But they are investing a lot to close that gap and that was definitely noticeable last season. That intent, the will to do what is necessary, is for me the reason why RBR made that change and why to me it is the right choice.
Will it work out, we will see in the next two years, as Honda and Renault have still big steps to make to fully catch up.
Today's times, nothing to read in to yet, other than Williams still not there (long season for them) and how much better engines have become. Couple years back only Mercedes showed up an ran and ran and now all 4 manufactures are being able to do so.
and Albon : oopsy:
, but honest ;)
DannyRic lost wing:
and later on in the day Gasly also binned it
I'm assuming at this stage that Merc are sandbagging. And I still feel dubious about the Honda. Again, just hunches.
No team sandbags during testing, it wouldn't give you the data you need, they are just on different programs.
Take the top 3 away and midfield, other than Williams (they need problem free 2nd week), look close again and this week's race weekend simulations will probably give us an idea who is on front of that cue and who at the back.
Ferrari always test their car with lower fuel runs to get an idea how it reacts, compared to the other two, so pace wise they look good 1st week. This year however they also seem to understand their car really well, as they look good/well balanced on almost every run.
Mercedes focus this winter was on the rear tire (temp/tire wear better control), so them doing long heavy fuel runs seems logicall, just their shorter runs on Thursday looked a little off, looks like they are no as far as Ferrari in understanding/controlling their aero.
RBR did what they always do, medium/heavy fuelled long runs to gather data, data and more data, they never show up on timing screens untill they do their qualy sims in the 2nd week. And with a new engine partner, they probably have to test more parameters anyway than in other years. But the new Honda engine has run problem free and they sound really upbeat about that partnership. Engine has more power, but is also smaller and lighter, which you can clearly see in their tighter aero packaging around the engine.
The only reason I could see Mercedes really struglle early on this season, is if their frontwing concept is just the wrong choice and they need to adjust to a Sauber (other side of the spectrum, outwash/inwash type of wing), as they and also RBR have a different concept than the rest of the field, Mercedes even more extreme than RBR.
This week we will see the race sims and get a better idea were everyone stands, at least when it comes to a cold Barcelona track.
Take the top 3 away and midfield, other than Williams (they need problem free 2nd week), look close again and this week's race weekend simulations will probably give us an idea who is on front of that cue and who at the back.
Ferrari always test their car with lower fuel runs to get an idea how it reacts, compared to the other two, so pace wise they look good 1st week. This year however they also seem to understand their car really well, as they look good/well balanced on almost every run.
Mercedes focus this winter was on the rear tire (temp/tire wear better control), so them doing long heavy fuel runs seems logicall, just their shorter runs on Thursday looked a little off, looks like they are no as far as Ferrari in understanding/controlling their aero.
RBR did what they always do, medium/heavy fuelled long runs to gather data, data and more data, they never show up on timing screens untill they do their qualy sims in the 2nd week. And with a new engine partner, they probably have to test more parameters anyway than in other years. But the new Honda engine has run problem free and they sound really upbeat about that partnership. Engine has more power, but is also smaller and lighter, which you can clearly see in their tighter aero packaging around the engine.
The only reason I could see Mercedes really struglle early on this season, is if their frontwing concept is just the wrong choice and they need to adjust to a Sauber (other side of the spectrum, outwash/inwash type of wing), as they and also RBR have a different concept than the rest of the field, Mercedes even more extreme than RBR.
This week we will see the race sims and get a better idea were everyone stands, at least when it comes to a cold Barcelona track.
By sandbagging I meant engine running low and for a much changed package on the second week (moreso than most), which appears to be the case. Difficult to believe they would be off the pace with the sheer resources at their disposal.
Some race sims today, Ferrari, or better Leclerc, looked a little faster than Bottas. But unfortunately race sims were stopped in the middle due to Gasly writing of the back of his RBR15 (to wide on entry).
Hopefully tomorrow we have Lewis and Seb doing their race sims, so we get a better idea of their current pace.
And there is also new footage of Sebs weird off from yesterday.
Hopefully tomorrow we have Lewis and Seb doing their race sims, so we get a better idea of their current pace.
And there is also new footage of Sebs weird off from yesterday.
Was an interesting two weeks.
Pace wise you can take a informed guess and that imo would put Ferrari ahead of Merc and behind that RBR (costly off from Gasly, means bit harder to place them).
Than Midfiled, so close that bit of fuel or extra engine mode makes a difference so group them together, Alfa/Renault/STR/McLaren/Haas. Behind that group Racing Point, haven't shown a lot, but that's often the case early on i the season and lastly Wiliams.
Far more interesting were the two fundamental different solution the teams came up with regarding the new front-wings. The Alfa , TR/Fer solution of not using the entire allowed space and bending outer side so you try to create as much outwash as possible. And the (old)Merc/RBR solution were they use the maximum allowed space and try to deal with the disturbed air flow of the front wheels with wings/barge boards behind the wheels.
Looked like the "Alfa style" was the quickest out of the box, curious if further development will change that (bigger area more downforce) as teams deal better with the air of the front-wheels, or that all go the "alfa" way.
Pace wise you can take a informed guess and that imo would put Ferrari ahead of Merc and behind that RBR (costly off from Gasly, means bit harder to place them).
Than Midfiled, so close that bit of fuel or extra engine mode makes a difference so group them together, Alfa/Renault/STR/McLaren/Haas. Behind that group Racing Point, haven't shown a lot, but that's often the case early on i the season and lastly Wiliams.
Far more interesting were the two fundamental different solution the teams came up with regarding the new front-wings. The Alfa , TR/Fer solution of not using the entire allowed space and bending outer side so you try to create as much outwash as possible. And the (old)Merc/RBR solution were they use the maximum allowed space and try to deal with the disturbed air flow of the front wheels with wings/barge boards behind the wheels.
Looked like the "Alfa style" was the quickest out of the box, curious if further development will change that (bigger area more downforce) as teams deal better with the air of the front-wheels, or that all go the "alfa" way.
It sounds like it will be the battle of the aero wings in Melbourne. I'm curious about the shuffle in midfield. If there is any.
Who is going to make the thread this time?
Who is going to make the thread this time?
By Spengo Go To PostIt sounds like it will be the battle of the aero wings in Melbourne. I'm curious about the shuffle in midfield. If there is any.It was so close and if you take in account that you are comparing times done on different times/days, it is really hard, but....
Who is going to make the thread this time?
First few days Alfa looked instantly quick, which is never a bad sign and they got a lot of attention in the press. Less so Haas, who on the last afternoon of testing did the most impressive midfield longrun, but by then the stories are already written and you get less attention, but would put my money on them repeating last years qualy (hopefully with better pitstops/race)
With Ferrari also looking good, I get the feeling that the boys in Maranello might have found some extra performance in their power-unit over winter.
We can use this thread, will update OP in due time and change the title, unless I'm missing something ;)
Very well then.
Ferrari will disintegrate midway into the season like Arsenal football club with Merc or RBR there to pick up the scraps.
Ferrari will disintegrate midway into the season like Arsenal football club with Merc or RBR there to pick up the scraps.
Updated OP so I/We are ready for next week ;)
Let's see if it is finally a Forza Ferrari year, or if Mercedes goes for the sixt double, or can RBR Honda pull a surprise in their first season. Midfield seriously to close to call and nice to see a lot of new and old familiar faces on the starting grid in 2019.
Let's see if it is finally a Forza Ferrari year, or if Mercedes goes for the sixt double, or can RBR Honda pull a surprise in their first season. Midfield seriously to close to call and nice to see a lot of new and old familiar faces on the starting grid in 2019.
You guys should check out on Netflix "Formula 1: Drive to Survive". On the first episode and it's a pretty good documentary so far.
By Lunatic Go To PostYou guys should check out on Netflix "Formula 1: Drive to Survive". On the first episode and it's a pretty good documentary so far.
Just came to ask if anyone has seen this.
Is it usual Netflix level of production quality?
Guardian article on Kubica. Genuinely inspiring.
By Kidjr Go To PostJust came to ask if anyone has seen this.It's fucking great. It gives some serious insight to what happened last year. Force India, McLaren, RedBull, Renault and Haas. Unfortunately nothing about Ferrari and Mercedes. Up to ep 7 and it's all been great.
Is it usual Netflix level of production quality?
Production value on that Netflix show is pretty great. But it's pretty clear that a couple of drivers were more into it than others. Or the producers were more into a couple of drivers. I didn't expect a Max Verstappen show but it baffles me how they even made the Austrian GP about Danny Ric. They mostly seem to point out the negative things from Max his season on top of that as well. And too bad Ferrari and Mercedes didn't want anything to do with it at all. Would have been interesting to have guys like Arrivebene and Wolff in front of the cameras too. I did like how they portrayed Horner and Abiteboul though.
They only problem I have with it is that the fake crash sounds are jarring. Carbon fiber doesn't sound like metal cunts!
So hyped for the new season. Was following testing a lot this year and its been super fascinating. Really hope Hass and Renault can close the gap to the top 3 too. Having 5 legitimate teams able to win on any given weekend would be great.