By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostRappers aren't singers, they got no excuse for using reference tracks. If you can't even come up with the lyrics and flow then what exactly are you?A performer?
It literally is the only form of music with this standard...
Hip-hop can't even cover old shit.. lol
By blackace Go To PostA performer?classical music and its composers, post minimalistic music, writing your own lyrics is pretty big in folk music as well. A lot of Jazz as well due to the inherent spontaneity of the genre. Genre specific standards or expectations is not exclusive to rap.
It literally is the only form of music with this standard…
Hip-hop can't even cover old shit.. lol
If it turned out that Steven Reich didnt write his music, he'd be a laughing stock.
By s y Go To Postclassical music and its composers, post minimalistic music, writing your own lyrics is pretty big in folk music as well. A lot of Jazz as well due to the inherent spontaneity of the genre. Genre specific standards or expectations is not exclusive to rap.Classical musicians play other composers' pieces all the time and even borrow from them.
If it turned out that Steven Reich didnt write his music, he'd be a laughing stock.
Jazz as well.
Folk singers cover music constantly
As long as people get credit for their work, I am not seeing the issue.
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostRappers aren't singers, they got no excuse for using reference tracks. If you can't even come up with the lyrics and flow then what exactly are you?
The man who has given us slaps for almost 20 summers straight?
By blackace Go To PostA performer?
It literally is the only form of music with this standard…
Hip-hop can't even cover old shit.. lol
Rappers aren't performers, they don't have much musical talent so if they aren't writing their own lyrics or coming up with the flow you're just saying you like their image. Drake isn't getting up there and busting out the moonwalk and 2 hours of straight choreographed dances, playing the guitar while having a great voice and singing, he's just doing karaoke.
How can you be a rapper if you're not writing your own shit? It's the whole point of the music, it has that standard cause it's just about the lyrics and flow
By DiPro Go To Postnobody would call nina simone a fraud because she never wrote a note of music.
Nina could actually sing, the demands on her writing aren't there cause she has talent elsewhere. If you here loving a rappers music that doesn't produce the beat, can't sing, doesn't write their own bars, uses reference tracks and doesn't come up with the flow...what exactly is it you like about them?
All that singing shit idgaf about. Most of the last two albums was clearly him tapping into what the youngins are doing to expand the brand. Some of em it’s blatantly obvious who he was working with on the song
If a reference for one of them 8am in Charlotte or Away From Home type tracks comes out I’ll care but not really. I used to care more about that until I messed around making songs with my friends and figured if we were all trading lines and verses and laying reference flows for each other to perfect a track, then SURELY the people actually making a living off rap were doing it as well. I mean hell it’s footage of Kanye showing JayZ how to hit a verse it’s not that deep
If a reference for one of them 8am in Charlotte or Away From Home type tracks comes out I’ll care but not really. I used to care more about that until I messed around making songs with my friends and figured if we were all trading lines and verses and laying reference flows for each other to perfect a track, then SURELY the people actually making a living off rap were doing it as well. I mean hell it’s footage of Kanye showing JayZ how to hit a verse it’s not that deep
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostRappers aren't performers, they don't have much musical talent so if they aren't writing their own lyrics or coming up with the flow you're just saying you like their image. Drake isn't getting up there and busting out the moonwalk and 2 hours of straight choreographed dances, playing the guitar while having a great voice and singing, he's just doing karaoke.I mean ODB didn't write shit. Eazy didn't write shit. Dre, we know, he ain't write shit. All legends who changed the game. Supposedly MASE didn't write much either.
How can you be a rapper if you're not writing your own shit? It's the whole point of the music, it has that standard cause it's just about the lyrics and flow
Word was Wayne paid a dude for his whole flow.
I don't know seems like that standard doesn't hold up
By blackace Go To PostI mean ODB didn't write shit. Eazy didn't write shit. Dre, we know, he ain't write shit. All legends who changed the game. Supposedly MASE didn't write much either.
Word was Wayne paid a dude for his whole flow.
I don't know seems like that standard doesn't hold up
You're naming dudes that nobody at the time would say were top 5, and Dre was a producer (criticized for stealing beats later in his career). Kanye is a producer too, Diddy is a producer, guys who make beats aren't expected to be in the booth coming up with their own hot 16.
Drake is being compared to rappers that never had reference tracks or dudes writing for them. This is why rap is so trash now too, the bar has been lowered and dropped to the point anyone can do it as long as the "beat slaps". Even the top rapper doesn't even actually have town write his own shit today to be compared to dudes that did. It's why all the other rappers who diss him mention th ghostwriting, even dumb ass Meek Mill writes his own bars. Imagine Jay Z dropped an album today and it turned out that new sound he's using is cause Dthang, Cash Cobain etc and guys half his age are writing his songs.
If a rapper isn't writing their own shit it's not the same as musically talented singers, all rappers have is lyrics and flow, that's it.
Lil Wayne is a nobody? 😂
And flow, delivery, and all that is a musical skill. I wouldn't discredit the way a rapper changes lyrics as they deliver them.
I get it people feel a certain way about Drake but having ghostwriters is more the norm than not 🤷🏾♂️
People want hits
And flow, delivery, and all that is a musical skill. I wouldn't discredit the way a rapper changes lyrics as they deliver them.
I get it people feel a certain way about Drake but having ghostwriters is more the norm than not 🤷🏾♂️
People want hits
By blackace Go To PostLil Wayne is a nobody? 😂
And flow, delivery, and all that is a musical skill. I wouldn't discredit the way a rapper changes lyrics as they deliver them.
I get it people feel a certain way about Drake but having ghostwriters is more the norm than not 🤷🏾♂️
People want hits
Rumors arent the same as actual reference tracks existing.
Nah, rappers feel a certain way about Drake calling his pen Hitori Hanzo when it's an army of writers behind it. You cannot be out here calling yourself the best rapper when all your comp knows you aren't the one writing and got concrete proof. When AI starts creating real hits to replace these dudes I don't wanna hear any push back.
He didn't change much of anything in that song above too, Soulja told us years ago, word for word bar for bar. We thought he was joking but nah.
Drake just says he is the most successful and people get their feelings that he manufactures hits, but it works🤷🏾♂️
By blackace Go To PostDrake just says he is the most successful and people get their feelings that he manufactures hits, but it works🤷🏾♂️
When 0101001 lul Suno takes over the rap game I don't wanna hear nothing!
Future's whole gimmick is that he's carried by the production of his beats. Yet people speak on him as if he's some lyricist.
The bar continues to drop because the barrier of entry is nearly non-existent due to advancements in technology. Anyone can open up a studio with a mic and MacBook and chart on YouTube or Spotify for a weekend.
The bar continues to drop because the barrier of entry is nearly non-existent due to advancements in technology. Anyone can open up a studio with a mic and MacBook and chart on YouTube or Spotify for a weekend.
By s y Go To Postclassical music and its composers, post minimalistic music, writing your own lyrics is pretty big in folk music as well. A lot of Jazz as well due to the inherent spontaneity of the genre. Genre specific standards or expectations is not exclusive to rap.
If it turned out that Steven Reich didnt write his music, he'd be a laughing stock.
Pretty much every genre you mentioned had people covering each other through their entire history
By Call Sign: Apollo Go To PostPretty much every genre you mentioned had people covering each other through their entire historyHappens in rap as well, how many times have rappers repeated a popular hov or nas bar? Or hooks? Or used a sample so egregiously that it might as well be a cover?(Jack Harlow)
Not sure why I have to say this but I'm not saying that the rules/expectations are strict in those genres(they certainly arent strict in rap) but disagreeing with BA that "It literally is the only form of music with this standard" which is entirely untrue.
A rapper that uses ghostwriters and is now using AI not even a week after I said AI shit was coming 😂
By Kidjr Go To PostDo you guys much give credit to the theory drake might be eating off almost everyone?I mean.. He is getting paid from a company that has a ton of artists signed to it. At the end of the day, I feel like he is still an employee. Just one of the highest paid ones.. But who knows maybe he has a deal where he gets x% of every hip-hop star that signs.
even the boss gotta answer to investors/boards
that would be wild though but i wouldnt really be surprised
that would be wild though but i wouldnt really be surprised
By domino Go To Posteven the boss gotta answer to investors/boards
that would be wild though but i wouldnt really be surprised
Crazy ass Yeezy
By blackace Go To PostDid anyone hear Quavo's comeback to Breezy. He might be cooked
I saw his ex sided with CB and exposed Quavo's DMs to her
By Hentai Samurai Go To Postapollo is the lipstick alley of slaent
look at all this extra shit
I follow a lot of black women on twitter so it's all over my timeline