By Kibner Go To PostHere ya go, Dy. Check the second vid:
Curry is anticipating the pick, so he's preswitching. He's more valuable defensively getting switched onto FVV than he is chasing him over screens and possibly leaving Danny Green.
Warriors did it all series.
Pulling up anecdotal evidence to defame the guy who is the best shooter of all time in what is, at its core, a shooting game.
Like, who dares to say Curry is not precisely that? Who thinks getting 3 titles as a leader is meaningless?
Keep analysing selected plays, the Warriors are still the defining team of the decade and Curry changed the game to the point it looks closer to NBA Jam than to 80s ball.
He was a few shots away from already making a case as the best PG of all time. Stop bitching about him.
Like, who dares to say Curry is not precisely that? Who thinks getting 3 titles as a leader is meaningless?
Keep analysing selected plays, the Warriors are still the defining team of the decade and Curry changed the game to the point it looks closer to NBA Jam than to 80s ball.
He was a few shots away from already making a case as the best PG of all time. Stop bitching about him.
I'm not. I've never cheered for the Warriors, I have no horse in this race. But I like to judge greatness by how it makes me feel to see someone in person. Curry is one of those rare and exciting "i've seen him with my eyes" players. There aren't many. He was the guy in between LeBron era and Giannis era.
By Smokey Go To PostFUCK the Warriors ain't nobody trying to hear that shytThat's a mindset I've never understood.
The greatness of your opponent reflects on you. The higher the mountain, the greater the climber. You're just hating on your own team, as you hate on others.
Appreciate the game.
Curry wasn't that prolific in some ways and that's fine. That's the point of having a team. Also he really has lacked in some areas since his ankle/foot crap.
By s y ngmi Go To Postgiannis era? gaby plsYou think it's not happening soon? lol.
Is anybody out here copying Giannis? No. Ain't shit to copy. Everybody done added the Harden Stepback my guy
if kawhi stays and embiid plays 65 games next year then Giannis is the 3rd best player in his conference.
By unknown Go To Postsmokey still salty GS piped the rockets the last two years.At least he's honest.
I don't know how you give a supposed goat pg a pass for letting a high trap turn him into a bystander in the finals
By DY_nasty Go To PostLike can yal honestly imagine Nash letting his shooting reputation run point for him?I can't imagine Nash in the Finals.
By Smokey Go To PostIs anybody out here copying Giannis? No. Ain't shit to copy. Everybody done added the Harden Stepback my guy
I feel dirty just reading this
By DY_nasty Go To PostAt least he's honest.
I don't know how you give a supposed goat pg a pass for letting a high trap turn him into a bystander in the finals
He averaged 30ppg lol. Curry had the most points of anyone in the finals.
Highest eFG too of anyone in the finals aside from Klay who just destroyed the net with 60 percent shooting from 3.
Losing in 6 is probably what happens to anyone when the only other person on your team who can reliably shoot a basketball misses one and a half games.
By Trey Go To PostHe averaged 30ppg lol. Curry had the most points of anyone in the finals.Nothing I've said about Curry's performance has been about his stats.
Highest eFG too of anyone in the finals aside from Klay who just destroyed the net with 60 percent shooting from 3.
Losing in 6 is probably what happens to anyone when the only other person on your team who can reliably shoot a basketball misses one and a half games.
If you want to focus on that then cool but I'm really not the guy to harp on eFG, true shooting, etc - especially here where his inability to capitalize on what should be freebies for any other all-star PG.
Even a guy like Trae Young knows how to take advantage of overzealous defenses. Curry was acting like he'd never ran point before. Letting his shooting control court dynamics instead of penetration is what lead to Toronto's defense only having to worry about stretching in one direction. And what was the result of that? They got to sit on everyone - the only constant threat of driving was Draymond. And after Simmons that was a breeze. Curry isn't a physically demanding player to guard either so it's not like there's some endurance battle like what came with Embiid.
The problem with one dimensional scoring is that it allows defenses too many cheats in the playoffs (see giannis, harden). Curry was not a consistent factor off the dribble scoring or as a distributor. He never forced Toronto to change up. If anything, he was sized up so well they felt comfortable throwing bullshit defenses at him to keep him unsteady throughout the series.
So yeah, cool individual stats. Some guys are gonna get their points. But just like how teams treated Shaq it's been matter of how. He never once pushed Toronto's defense off balance.
He constantly shifted the Toronto's defense off balance. That's the point. He had few options to take advantage of that.
These niggas sent constant doubles plus help on drives and Curry's valve was Draymond, who under no circumstance were the Raptors going to close out on him. He shot below 25 percent from 3.
And you can wave off individual stats all you want, but they still exist and serve as a focus for what happened during the series.
These niggas sent constant doubles plus help on drives and Curry's valve was Draymond, who under no circumstance were the Raptors going to close out on him. He shot below 25 percent from 3.
And you can wave off individual stats all you want, but they still exist and serve as a focus for what happened during the series.
By Trey Go To PostHe constantly shifted the Toronto's defense off balance. That's the point. He had few options to take advantage of that.Yeah by letting them be totally okay with primarily FVV, defensive juggernaut, handling him offball and straight forward one pass away help defense. They didn't even bother disguising where the help was coming from.
These niggas sent constant doubles plus help on drives and Curry's valve was Draymond, who under no circumstance were the Raptors going to close out on him. He shot below 25 percent from 3.
And you can wave off individual stats all you want, but they still exist and serve as a focus for what happened during the series.
If you think a double team or high trap is some huge hurdle and not something that gets flipped into an offensive advantage regularly then I'm not sure what else to say. Any good playmaker is happy to see a double that far out. It's been that way since hand checking died.
I'm not even waiving the individual stats off but they aren't blanket "he did good, look" stanzas like you're trying to put out. He got shredded on defense, didn't run any kind of offense, and allowed himself to be contained by playing firmly within what Toronto would allow. He was dribbling off his feet and getting ripped by Danny Green - meanwhile you're defiantly eating up notmyfault stats đŸ˜‚
By DY_nasty Go To PostAny good playmakerName "any good playmaker" who created or made more points in the Finals and won as many titles as he did
There's Magic and that's it
wade
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parker
shaq
isaiah
if you want to limit it to "as many titles as he did" as if KD wasn't leading the team for 2/3 chips and Andre Iguadala didn't get Finals MVP for the other one.
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parker
shaq
if you want to limit it to "as many titles as he did" as if KD wasn't leading the team for 2/3 chips and Andre Iguadala didn't get Finals MVP for the other one.
By Gaby Go To PostName "any good playmaker" who created or made more points in the Finals and won as many titles as he did"name any good playmaker" that had these kinds of tools on offense as well as one of the best defenses in this era then lol.
There's Magic and that's it
Yal really arguing straight out a YouTube comments section
He's done this BS every year they won too. This is not a new argument. Kerr taking the ball out of his hands and letting others initiate has been one of their biggest issues whenever the GS offense has stalled for years now. You guys are making it sound like Curry never got migraines over Delledova. And I said back in the Houston series that it was completely nonsense that the rockets were getting away with Nene hopping out on him.
Again, this isn't some popovic concocted switch heavy defense that was built specifically for one team like LBJ's Heat. He didn't even get their best defender either. This is a perfect example of a team containing a player.
By s y ngmi Go To PostwadeParker will never get enough credit
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parker
shaqisaiah
if you want to limit it to "as many titles as he did" as if KD wasn't leading the team for 2/3 chips and Andre Iguadala didn't get Finals MVP for the other one.
No team has been better at those PnR blitzes than the Heat and Parker had them scrambling the entire series lol
By DY_nasty Go To Post"name any good playmaker" that had these kinds of tools on offense as well as one of the best defenses in this era then lol.
Yal really arguing straight out a YouTube comments section
Klay Thompson who missed 1.5 games and...Quinn Cook and the ghost of Iguodala?? Again, what you seem to be purposefully omitting, is that the way to beat the sort of attention Curry was getting is to pass the ball, but scoring off those plays requires players to finish.
GS shot 27 percent from 3 outside of the Splash Brothers. It was probably a Finals record of passed up open looks.
By Trey Go To PostKlay Thompson who missed 1.5 games and…Quinn Cook and the ghost of Iguodala?? Again, what you seem to be purposefully omitting, is that the way to beat the sort of attention Curry was getting is to pass the ball, but scoring off those plays requires players to finish.guys won with way less lol
GS shot 27 percent from 3 outside of the Splash Brothers. It was probably a Finals record of passed up open looks.
oh no, steph didn't have a GOAT shooter for one half. the horror
how ever will he (again either ignoring my argument completely or just not grasping it) deal with a trap
By DY_nasty Go To PostLike can yal honestly imagine Nash letting his shooting reputation run point for him?Nash did use his shooting to get others great looks though. Similar thing, just differently.
And they didn't shoot like GSW did. Nor run that similar an offense.
I just put all the curry hate down as inane basketball hate for the sake of creating something to talk about.
Curry basically gave it his all, much like Harden did. Curry came up short in the finals when He was taking on the entire offensive load. Their normal systems that they'd been running for 2 years were now defunct. The ball movement offense faltered because klay died. Twice.
The biggest difference between his and the 2016 team was that outside curry, there was no one else who could reliably shoot. How many times did you see curry create an opening, pass it out, to see wide open draymond pass it to wide open iggy who passed it to McKinnie who drove it into the middle and fucked up the play. Or Livingston seemingly refuse to shoot those FT Line down shots that he normally takes.
Toronto also had the bench player who steps up. FVV had an amazing play offs run. Hottest shooting of his career. GSW had Cook/ Jerebko / McKinnie shrink.
By DY_nasty Go To Postguys won with way less lolBecause that's no a real honest representation of the situation. It went from 2 GOAT shooters and 3 who couldn't shoot to 1 GOAT and 4 who couldn't.
oh no, steph didn't have a GOAT shooter for one half. the horror
how ever will he (again either ignoring my argument completely or just not grasping it) deal with a trap
Not 2 GOAT and 3 good to 1 GOAT and 4 good. The other 4 also struggled to even create their own shots at all.
its little stuff man
how many times do you ever see Curry take the ball around the baseline. he works harder for pin downs than he does off a pnr
also, diaw criminally underrated
hell, what was left of that squad is a better supporting cast than what harden has in houston lol. people aren't being consistent on it - if curry did all he could do then what about all the other guards who play better with even less? kyrie got thrown in the bushes quick as hell
how many times do you ever see Curry take the ball around the baseline. he works harder for pin downs than he does off a pnr
also, diaw criminally underrated
By giririsss Go To PostBecause that's no a real honest representation of the situation. It went from 2 GOAT shooters and 3 who couldn't shoot to 1 GOAT and 4 who couldn't.those guys were all hitting shots that game. the only jokes out there were quinn cook and liv - you could argue that kerr was screwing up the lineups (he was) but even then you got better than expected performances out of the guys you'd normally look to. green, andre, even crippled boogie did all you could ask them to do.
Not 2 GOAT and 3 good to 1 GOAT and 4 good. The other 4 also struggled to even create their own shots at all.
hell, what was left of that squad is a better supporting cast than what harden has in houston lol. people aren't being consistent on it - if curry did all he could do then what about all the other guards who play better with even less? kyrie got thrown in the bushes quick as hell
By DY_nasty Go To Postits little stuff man3D was underrated his whole career.
how many times do you ever see Curry take the ball around the baseline. he works harder for pin downs than he does off a pnr
also, diaw criminally underrated
i don't think the Warriors ran a traditional PnR offense though. They ran picks, but it was more for creating havoc amongst other screens going on. Also really lacked a proper roll man.
I think we saw them try to revert to some PnR style offense, but it just wasn't something they'd done their entire 5 year run. So it just wasn't executed well.
I'm not saying Curry played it perfectly, but i'm also looking at the whole spread of limitations and circumstances. That team had fallen apart, and outside Looney, no one stood up.
As a side note, Looney may have played him self into "As good as Capella" talks after this post season. if he comes back ok.
By DY_nasty Go To Postits little stuff man
how many times do you ever see Curry take the ball around the baseline. he works harder for pin downs than he does off a pnr
also, diaw criminally underrated
those guys were all hitting shots that game. the only jokes out there were quinn cook and liv - you could argue that kerr was screwing up the lineups (he was) but even then you got better than expected performances out of the guys you'd normally look to. green, andre, even crippled boogie did all you could ask them to do.
hell, what was left of that squad is a better supporting cast than what harden has in houston lol. people aren't being consistent on it - if curry did all he could do then what about all the other guards who play better with even less? kyrie got thrown in the bushes quick as hell
Iggy still passed up several open shots on the perimeter that game. it was also the only time he'd scored over 11pts that series. So no one was guarding him.
Dray ... hit 1 /4 from 3, for 11 pts. It wasn't a great game. He was a large part of the spacing problem. Good game over all, but we're talking the offensive side.
DMC gave everything he had, and i think should have shot about 20 more FT's that last game. And normally a decent shooter from range, with the leg injury, had no range at all. Still, 12 pts was solid.
It all comes back to a lack of anyone to space. They really only defended steph when klay wasn't there, despite him trying the whole first quarter to get others going and divert some defensive attention.
And naw, that squad wasn't close to Houston good. Houston run up against that team and they sweep lol. Hell portland might win 2.
lots of people talking about GSW's offense, but they gave up a 116 ORtg to the Raptors. They lost that series on defense.
By diehard Go To Postlots of people talking about GSW's offense, but they gave up a 116 ORtg to the Raptors. They lost that series on defense.They had to play DMC extended minutes, and he was just not able to keep up on defense.
By diehard Go To Postlots of people talking about GSW's offense, but they gave up a 116 ORtg to the Raptors. They lost that series on defense.
The pick n roll killed them. They didn't have the personnel to defend it adequately.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthow many times do you ever see Curry take the ball around the baseline. he works harder for pin downs than he does off a pnr
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