That story is very conflicting for me. It's an awkward situation for both of them and I do not like it being a #MeToo tag along.
Seems to me he was guilty of being a pushy asshole and generally gross. Not sure what this really says wrt the broader #MeToo discussion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/style/mario-testino-bruce-weber-harassment.html?smid=pl-share
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is huge
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is huge
Also, Aziz didn't even wait until after he fingered her to stick his fingers in her mouth. So he's basically not a gentlemen.
Dudes acting out like the hook up should go like whatever porno they watched last is not uncommon unfortunately. Cept the woman ain't in on it.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostDudes acting out like the hook up should go like whatever porno they watched last is not uncommon unfortunately. Cept the woman ain't in on it.straight up lol
dude 30+ years old and acting like a prom night fuckboy
By HasphatsAnts Go To Postit seems weird that a rich famous guy like him is even going on dates with regular people.with game like that it's not surprising he has to rely on the celeb factor
I wish I wasn't aware of the stories of dudes trying to just slam their dick up an ass outta nowhere. And there's no way to word it without it sounding crass or like a joke, cept it isn't. Some dudes act like real shitbirds in private. And what's someone who's weaker or knows someone can inflict much more harm gonna do? They're going to go the path of least resistance and just go with some shit that seems like it's gonna be less physically damaging.
By Apollo Go To Posthttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/style/mario-testino-bruce-weber-harassment.html?smid=pl-shareand this is way bigger jesus lol
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is huge
By Xpike Go To Postwith game like that it's not surprising he has to rely on the celeb factorFair.
Judging from the story It's pretty clear he just wanted to hook up with her, so why even go through the charade of going on a date?
"Wanna fuck?" "No." "Cool."
Because dudes like him want a narrative beyond a simple hook up, they want some kind of fantasy, fetish or to feel like a real playboy they've seen in one of their fucking porns.
Yeah all these gatekeepers of industries being sexual assaulting shitpiles doesn't surprise me. Predators will always be on the lookout for easy prey and put themselves in positions to get at them, the fucked up part is how people circle the wagons and enable these fuckin' assholes to continue.
By DY_nasty Go To Postthis mario testino stuff goes on forever
photographers just living free
No fucking way Tom Ford didn't know about this shit
Also, a lot of dudes in Aziz shoes would be better off if they learned to let the women lead.
I've felt Tom Ford was a sketchy motherfucker for a long time but been told "oh you a prude." Whateves.
By Apollo Go To PostNo fucking way Tom Ford didn't know about this shitbut then you can't be jmac or johnny sins
Also, a lot of dudes in Aziz shoes would be better off if they learned to let the women lead.
Some dudes wanna do some shit hook up night uno that's stuff plenty of people would feel awkward about being springed on by even a long term lover/bf/husband. What's fucked is now more than ever you find people into that kink too, but that's just it, they get off on not getting someone who's down for that. They want a certain reaction. It's why they also just wont get an escort or hooker who's seen enough shit.
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostAnsari could surely have just hired a high-quality escort to fulfil those fantasies…naw, that's not authentic "i want to make her lose control of her body" stuff lol
i don't think aziz is that type specifically based on that, but he's absolutely the embodiment of manchildren raised on porn and expects that shit like its normal
Though I admit I didn't read all of it - the whole fingers down the throat thing seem more like a kink...
Or maybe power and wealth can stunt your growth a person.
Or maybe power and wealth can stunt your growth a person.
He's obviously guilty of being generally creepy and pushy, but man, this is gonna get ugly.
Society at large isn't ready to think misinterpreting mixed signals constitute sexual assault.
Society at large isn't ready to think misinterpreting mixed signals constitute sexual assault.
By Bold 2 in One Go To PostThough I admit I didn't read all of it - the whole fingers down the throat thing seem more like a kink…Bruh I gotta take a real break here.
Or maybe power and wealth can stunt your growth a person.
There's plenty of dudes doing this shit with no fame or wealth like he has.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostHe's obviously guilty of being generally creepy and pushy, but man, this is gonna get ugly.he wasn't trying to hear shit, if you ever got to chase a girl around your apartment with your dick out you might be doing the most ha
Society at large isn't ready to think misinterpreting mixed signals constitute sexual assault.
only thing i will say that is there is a tonal shift from the beginning of these allegations to more dialogue on interaction as a whole.
I feel like "mixed signals" is going to be the next gray area when it's just so possible not to be a rapey dick towards a woman on the first date.
By DY_nasty Go To Posthe wasn't trying to hear shit, if you ever got to chase a girl around your apartment with your dick out you might be doing the most ha
only thing i will say that is there is a tonal shift from the beginning of these allegations to more dialogue on interaction as a whole.
I'm just confused of the chronology here because it reads like she blew him, went to the bathroom, came out and indicated she was uncomfortable, and then blew him again.
All under varying levels of distress, so none of that excuses Aziz for being a creep or a scumbag, but there's enough context here to suggest we're not getting the full picture of the encounter. Iunno.
By HasphatsAnts Go To PostI'm just confused of the chronology here because it reads like she blew him, went to the bathroom, came out and indicated she was uncomfortable, and then blew him again.i'm not trying to go too deep on this because i'm no mind reader either
All under varying levels of distress, so none of that excuses Aziz for being a creep or a scumbag, but there's enough context here to suggest we're not getting the full picture of the encounter. Iunno.
but i will say that its obvious that plenty of the time if someone is down to fuck, they will work with you being a fucking idiot. However, along with that people need to realize that sex isn't something that just starts when it starts and ends when it ends. If you cross lines while in that, that's hopefully something that's communicated. Here, it was communicated a lot.
i'm not gonna broad stroke this and say that everyone named or discussed here is a weinstein or cosby or the doctor who went wild on the usa gymnasts. i guess everyone should be clear on that - because that's what i alluded to above. its gone from bigger persons and legit systems to covering more about interactions as a whole, and talking about that... well, its definitely not bad to talk more about it
but like i said earlier that aziz is a clown of a man for being a 34 year old prom night hotel room weirdo/date from hell who was raised on porn (and maybe one of his more eccentric buddies' wild sexual lifestyles that he clearly doesn't understand)
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI feel like "mixed signals" is going to be the next gray area when it's just so possible not to be a rapey dick towards a woman on the first date.like i DO believe in mixed signals.
but the gray area is extremely wide for some. not every girl is gonna slap you or talk you down. some people will just roll with it and fucking hate you lol
For sure there's mixed signals but also like you can just not fuck with someone. That's always on the table and yet people act like "well what could I do just not have sex with (or harm or rape) a person?" Yeah?
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut the gray area is extremely wide for some. not every girl is gonna slap you or talk you down. some people will just roll with it and fucking hate you lol
I think that's what I'm trying to get at. What some women will simply tolerate is a bright red line for others, and really the only course of action that's guaranteed to not get you in trouble is to just not hook up. Which is fine! But I think society at large needs to be clear about that being the eventual outcome and be okay with it.
It's like that Slate article with the writer who eventually married her editor. She was bemoaning the loss of real workplace romances since these #MeToo stories have come out, and the answer is that she should shut the fuck up. Just because it worked out for you doesn't mean it worked out for the thousands of other women who had to deal with pushy authority figures at work and had their careers harmed in the process.
As for Aziz, I'm guess the thought process was, "well, what else is she here for, if she's not interested in my dick?" and when you don't respect the woman's capacity to decide for herself you're always going to fixate on the
By DY_nasty Go To Postbut i will say that its obvious that plenty of the time if someone is down to fuck, they will work with you being a fucking idiot. However, along with that people need to realize that sex isn't something that just starts when it starts and ends when it ends. If you cross lines while in that, that's hopefully something that's communicated. Here, it was communicated a lot.
Real shit.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGot a warning for my comments on era. I'll just avoid discussing this shit in general smhI'd a) be banned, b) lose my mind if I ever had to discuss something there.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGot a warning for my comments on era. I'll just avoid discussing this shit in general smhWhat did you say?
Reset folk are soft - gotta cuddle them and treat em with kiddie gloves.
I only post in vapid threads about star wars - avoid politics, that place isn't equipped to discuss heavy topics
I only post in vapid threads about star wars - avoid politics, that place isn't equipped to discuss heavy topics
I'd say a lot of people aren't ready for heavy topics like how sexual assault happens, especially the folks who are at a complete physical advantage.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI'd say a lot of people aren't ready for heavy topics like how sexual assault happens, especially the folks who are at a complete physical advantage.
Yep. That and self introspective practices are unfound of in a lot of people.
By Dark PhaZe Go To PostGot a warning for my comments on era. I'll just avoid discussing this shit in general smhresetera sucks. they soft as baby shit over there.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostYep. That and self introspective practices are unfound of in a lot of people.I mean people don't even want to get into how deep it runs either. How the narrative is always discussed from the side of being able to completely extricate yourself from a situation. They don't implicitly (or refuse to) understand how it can be even more physically damaging so folks will go the path of least resistance. A lot of dudes who are pushy could easily turn ever more shitty and she's already alone with him so... Also plenty of sexual assaults are never projected from the onset, person waits till their mark is naked and vulnerable and already done some stuff then just turns into a real shitbird mid encounter. It works too, how many people question a rape or assault of some kind because "well you did some stuff consensually." Happened here too.
By EldritchTrapStar Go To PostYep. That and self introspective practices are unfound of in a lot of people.i mean shit, most guys don't even think of it. If you're with some girl who repeatedly tries to put her fingers way up your ass, you're most likely gonna be like "chill with that". The first time, the second and third time you go from varying stages of "what the fuck" to "this girl is fucking crazy"
but guys generally don't ever have to worry if that girl gnawing on your dick, putting fingers in your ass is gonna be the one to go apeshit and either turn the ragefuck gauge up to 100 or straight up whoop your ass. A grown man typically doesn't have to evaluate threat like that when getting it on. So Its extremely foreign for a lot of guys to be understand any that because there's no frame of reference. How many times do bros get together and talk about the times they've had to roll over and take it because they don't know if its gonna get worse with resistance? That's usually a punchline to a prison rape joke.
"So do you suck Big Vernon's dick right out the gate and pop him off early OR do you take him on knowing he's gonna break that ass if you lose? "
That's like the only time it ever comes up and even then its so remote and abstract that's its pretty much only seen as a joke.
By Random Ass Username Go To PostI mean people don't even want to get into how deep it runs either. How the narrative is always discussed from the side of being able to completely extricate yourself from a situation. They don't implicitly (or refuse to) understand how it can be even more physically damaging so folks will go the path of least resistance. A lot of dudes who are pushy could easily turn ever more shitty and she's already alone with him so… Also plenty of sexual assaults are never projected from the onset, person waits till their mark is naked and vulnerable and already done some stuff then just turns into a real shitbird mid encounter. It works too, how many people question a rape or assault of some kind because "well you did some stuff consensually." Happened here too.
I don't think what he did is okay, but also don't think this encounter is bad enough for us to lump him into the same pile as the other #MeToo exposees. And of course, that could change as more allegations come out against him.
Weinstein and Bryan Singer should be in jail
Brett Ratner should be run out of Hollywood
Kevin Spacey should never appear on a screen ever again
This one tho? Hard time imagining it's be fair for Aziz to never be able to tell jokes for a living again. What happens to Master of None is a different story, but there are far far far worse things happening in Hollywood everyday to be outraged about. I saw that Eliza Dushku story trend for like an hour and then poof, nothing else. That should command our attention, not this.
its all stemming from the same core issue is what they're trying to communicate, levels of power and context are appropriate though
It's not about lumping anything in, it's about how nutting consistently gets prioritized over being a decent individual. I hate that kind of post by the way, does it have to be worst possible level of rapist in order to be recognized as a problem? As entirely fucked up?
By DY_nasty Go To Postits all stemming from the same core issue is what they're trying to communicate, levels of power and context are appropriate thoughIt really is frustrating. "What do you mean how men treat women is related to how men treat women?" Or hell even other men. These photographers, Spacey, all these predators know how we discuss and victim blame and expect folks to just leave a situation rather than you know, coming to the conclusion a person could just not fucking assault them?
She's quick to call it revenge porn or talk about privileged white women but it seems to ignore that there's already people establishing a pattern of messed up behavior from him just like all of the others. So uh?
It's strange how the Eliza Dushku story seems to be getting so little traction in comparison with the Aziz Ansari one.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostIt's strange how the Eliza Dushku story seems to be getting so little traction in comparison with the Aziz Ansari one.Because Aziz is famous whereas the stunt coordinator isn't.
Anyone seen Dan Harmon apology yet?
It's intense, I would link it but my phone is acting up. There is a thread on reset though.
It's intense, I would link it but my phone is acting up. There is a thread on reset though.
By LFMartins86 Go To PostMost people can go "wow that dude's a piece of child rapist" without any issue.
It's strange how the Eliza Dushku story seems to be getting so little traction in comparison with the Aziz Ansari one.
Some people are going to see Aziz's pushy crap on a grown woman and possibly have to reflect on things they've done themselves, and they're feeling all kinds of conflicted about it all.