By reilo Go To PostI still don't understand how the solution to Trump's shitty supporters is appeasement by allowing him back into the White House where he can keep eroding this country instead of upholding the rule of law.Nobody said they wan't Trump back into the WH.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostNobody said they wan't Trump back into the WH.By your logic, with how much support he has, it will happen if he is pardoned, though.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostNobody said they wan't Trump back into the WH.Wtf do you think a pardon allows to happen?
He should be in prison for Jan 6 alone.
By Kibner Go To PostBy your logic, with how much support he has, it will happen if he is pardoned, though.
By reilo Go To PostWtf do you think a pardon allows to happen?An absolute pardon from the sitting president would erase any possibility of an indictment, with an understanding that Trump never runs for office again, or has any say in any political movement going forward, sunset golden retirement.
Why would Biden pardon Trump for if not tied to a return? Because they're bets friends?
By reilo Go To PostHe should be in prison for Jan 6 alone.Yes, but he's not.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostAn absolute pardon from the sitting president would erase any possibility of an indictment, with an understanding that Trump never runs for office again, or has any say in any political movement going forward, sunset golden retirement.LOL
Why would Biden pardon Trump for if not tied to a return? Because they're bets friends?
Yes, but he's not.
You're naive. Trump would go back on this immediately.
Why would trump follow a non-binding resolution to not run again when the pardon not only allows him to, but also gives him even more ammunition and support to more successfully do so?
Trump is the kind of mother fucker that already breaks written contracts because he can without consequence, and that is just for non-fortune amounts of money. What makes you think he won't break an unwritten contract to gain much more money and even more influence to further enrich himself?
Trump, the guy on national tv admitted he doesn’t pay his contractors definitely sounds like the kind of person who would honor his word
Running for office and taking back the WH that he believes was stolen from him is all he has going for him
When would you say US politics changed into an unashamed money-making thing? From the outside it looks like getting donations is often more important than policy. I'm not naive enough to think that isn't the case in most (all?) political systems, especially our's, but there seems to be no attempt to hide it over there, quite the opposite.
Since it became the #1 determining factor in winning an election. If you win the fundraising game, your chances of winning go up quite a bit.
By Righteous Furry Go To PostWhen would you say US politics changed into an unashamed money-making thing? From the outside it looks like getting donations is often more important than policy. I'm not naive enough to think that isn't the case in most (all?) political systems, especially our's, but there seems to be no attempt to hide it over there, quite the opposite.Sometime before Reagan, I imagine. Maybe as far back as whenever national newspapers became widely circulated.
Was reading up on Reagan's win the other day, wonder if we'll ever see anything like that again. 49 states won, was it? Maybe party lines and identification are too firm now, and voters need to be fluid for it to happen.
By Righteous Furry Go To PostWhen would you say US politics changed into an unashamed money-making thing? From the outside it looks like getting donations is often more important than policy. I'm not naive enough to think that isn't the case in most (all?) political systems, especially our's, but there seems to be no attempt to hide it over there, quite the opposite.Recently, things changed a lot when the Citizen's United decision came in. Donations and political spending count as speech now
Maybe PB already posted this but good summary in there of how closing the long commute gap can allow people to live in their suburbs where (in theory) cost of living is cheaper while they commute to work in an economic hub
By Perfect Blue Go To PostRecently, things changed a lot when the Citizen's United decision came in. Donations and political spending count as speech nowSounds like a combination of the two Manchester clubs, which is obviously disgusting.
By DY_nasty Go To PostYal not about to act like trump invented dumb Americans now
Nah, but the internet has allowed them to link up much easier than ever and they hype each other up to do dumb shit.
By Laboured Go To PostThey're right, but they're still not sending their best it seems.Lmao
I hope he posted on Truth what he was trying to accomplish cuz I’m lost
At least the dumb fbi guy thought he was fighting the deep state. Who was this guy fighting? The Jetsons?
By You got 14 bricks right there? Go To PostNah, but the internet has allowed them to link up much easier than ever and they hype each other up to do dumb shit.Yeah, this is a real thing. The ease of communication the internet has brought has led to people on the fringes feel more comfortable in "expressing" themselves publicly because they have been able to find other, like-minded individuals. Something that was far more difficult without the internet.
By Kibner Go To PostTipping point because of voting laws and lines and who is getting elected, sure.Yeah we aren't going to have a full blown Civil War just more instances of right wing domestic terrorism. People who conflate the two almost sound giddy at the prospect of it or something. If anything we're finally seeing some fracturing and infighting of the right that's long been stalled out by them constantly falling in line. Finally seeing some factions form. Notice how many establishment GOP are silent as hell about all of this too instead of backing Trump.
Civil War? No.
Nobody is giving anyone a pardon unless it's ironclad, contractually based on Trump, his family and his cronies setting off into retirement, never touching politics again. Ironclad.
Why would Trump accept? Well the alternative is prison if this latest situation gets there. He's a coward, he'll accept and Biden is the perfect "unifier of the country".
Why would Trump accept? Well the alternative is prison if this latest situation gets there. He's a coward, he'll accept and Biden is the perfect "unifier of the country".
The point of pardons is that they are unconditional, man
Presidents can even give pardons to crimes not yet committed 😂
Presidents can even give pardons to crimes not yet committed 😂
There are conditional pardons, simple pardons and absolute pardons. The point would be to give Trump a way out while keeping him away from politics forever, nipping MAGA in the butt with it. Call it whatever you want, the point remains the same.
By Frustrated_me Go To PostAmericans voted in record numbers in the 2020 presidential election, casting almost 160 million votes.There was nothing else to do in 2020 except vote.
You don't think the American politics are at a tipping point? Did you not see what almost happened on January 6th?
Here is a report from this week, from historians and academics who study the topic: Historians privately warn Biden that America’s democracy is teetering
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/10/biden-us-historians-democracy-threat/
Political news coverage was cashing out at an all-time high because what else was there to do?
Even with the economy going to shit, a plague, riots, and a war with Iran looming - that record voter turnout was still weak compared to any other politically engaged country. And it won't be replicated due to voters from both parties feeling played like never before.
Again, politics as entertainment. "Is this it for democracy??" can't be what winds you up.
Also https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/03/in-past-elections-u-s-trailed-most-developed-countries-in-voter-turnout/ ppl get shot running up on the FBI every day. It's hardly a barometer of anything.
Edit: and local/state elections, where shit would pop off first, doesn't even get talked about at all whenever there's civil war gas 😂 the closest thing to do that was the Michigan thing and the FBI fucked all that up
By s y Go To PostSo trump is actually in trouble?Probably not directly
A bunch of Michael Cohens and stooges will probably get pressed again though. And honestly just making it harder for Trump to secure enough competent people to run again is effective in its own way.
By FortuneFaded Go To Posthis lawyers are rudy giuliani breh
You'd figure his lawyers would have took his phone away at this point
By Frustrated_me Go To PostIsn't it a branch snatched straight from Twitter's GitHub?
That would make sense
By DY_nasty Go To PostProbably not directlyoh
A bunch of Michael Cohens and stooges will probably get pressed again though. And honestly just making it harder for Trump to secure enough competent people to run again is effective in its own way.
:/
the civil war fear mongering seems a bit ott then
Would be cool if the UK decided to bring trains to the very west of the UK, so I could be ripped off too
By Punished Go To Post
Would be cool if the UK decided to bring trains to the very west of the UK, so I could be ripped off too
I'm coming over in a few days, and fucking shocked what it costs to get from Gatwick to Bristol.
https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB457/
California bill giving a $2500 tax credit to people who don’t own a car. Interesting idea but outside of a few select areas in California, at least to my knowledge, is it even possible to live there without a car? What is the point of this if there’s no reasonable alternative.
California bill giving a $2500 tax credit to people who don’t own a car. Interesting idea but outside of a few select areas in California, at least to my knowledge, is it even possible to live there without a car? What is the point of this if there’s no reasonable alternative.
By Perfect Blue Go To Posthttps://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB457/Not even "select areas." Still need one in SF if you want to travel outside of it with any frequency. LA you need a car period. Rest of it you absolutely need a car. I'd say it's more a narrow selection of people who don't need one, like young students but if they don't work close to campus or their apartment that's a wash too.
California bill giving a $2500 tax credit to people who don’t own a car. Interesting idea but outside of a few select areas in California, at least to my knowledge, is it even possible to live there without a car? What is the point of this if there’s no reasonable alternative.
By Perfect Blue Go To Posthttps://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/SB457/Yeah, buses exist. They suck but they work. I lived in the inland empire without a car for 2 years. Just rode my bike and took the bus. My wife was going to school nearby and got free rides with her student id
California bill giving a $2500 tax credit to people who don’t own a car. Interesting idea but outside of a few select areas in California, at least to my knowledge, is it even possible to live there without a car? What is the point of this if there’s no reasonable alternative.
I would've relished that credit
By i can get you a toe Go To PostNot even "select areas." Still need one in SF if you want to travel outside of it with any frequency. LA you need a car period. Rest of it you absolutely need a car. I'd say it's more a narrow selection of people who don't need one, like young students but if they don't work close to campus or their apartment that's a wash too.Well damn. Yeah I guess people who go to or work at colleges and live close by lol